Oppo Poll: Windows 10 edition

"Lekker" (z34nismo) 07/01/2015 at 13:29 • Filed to: PC

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Rally Z for your time

Opponauts, who has made the jump to Windows 10? Do you game on your pc? What do you like/hate? I signed up the other night with 5 minutes to spare, only because a game I play a lot of doesn’t support SLI setups unless you go with DX12 from Win10. I recently made the jump to 8.1, and it’s not bad, it runs cooler with games and the lack of a start button hasn’t bothered me since I usually type most programs I need to access. My one concern is drivers and game compatibility. Waht do you all think? I saw one post with someone that had 10 running... so I’m just curious to see what ppl think.

jkm7680 > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:30

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Sticking with 7.

Lekker > jkm7680 07/01/2015 at 13:31

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Any reason in particular? I was going to stick to 7, but I had to reformat and figured might as well try 8.1

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:33

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I rarely game, but I have literally a billion things going at once and 8, 8.1, and 10 not to mention Server 2012 do not gel well with productivity designed builds.

jkm7680 > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:33

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I hated 8 and 7 suits my needs perfectly well. I don’t see the reason to upgrade for the time being.

spanfucker retire bitch > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:34

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I’ve got 10 installed in Hyper-V on my 8.1 desktop. Barring any day one issues, I’m definitely going to upgrade.

Gonna give it a couple days to make sure it’s nice and stable though. It’s a huge upgrade from 8.1 and an even bigger upgrade from 7.

HammerheadFistpunch > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:35

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Im on the fence as to whether or not to make the jump. My machine is so buggy that it could either kill it or make it better and its tough to say which will happen.

Lekker > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 07/01/2015 at 13:36

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That I can understand. I’m the same way with Red Hat Linux, as that is what I use for work. I keep mine 1.5+ versions behind on average due to testing and certification

Lekker > spanfucker retire bitch 07/01/2015 at 13:38

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Its that good huh? That is what I wanted to hear. I moved to 8.1 about 4 months ago so I’m used to that (ish - aside from how some customization stuff was moved around). What was the biggest change you noticed

Lekker > HammerheadFistpunch 07/01/2015 at 13:39

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I guess in that case the determining factor will be how recent the components are and if there is newer drivers available. I found my stuff ran better, and more optimized when I changed to 8.1 , my guess was that my slightly old Motherboard and CPU (~3 years old) had just better drivers and built-in functionality with the newer OS. But that isn’t always the case

HammerheadFistpunch > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:40

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its at least 7 years old...so probably not well.

Lekker > HammerheadFistpunch 07/01/2015 at 13:41

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Lol.. are you running 7 now?

HammerheadFistpunch > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:42

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yeah 7 pro 64. I built it as a hard core editing machine years ago and its been pretty good, but its old socket, old architecture, old ram, etc, etc.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > spanfucker retire bitch 07/01/2015 at 13:43

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While I agree that 10 is a remarkably better product than 8 or 8.1 I do not belive it to be better than 7.

jvirgs drives a Subaru > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:44

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I’m going to make the switch to 10 when its available in July. I have Windows 8.1, it works fine for me and I’ve never understood all the hate. I will say that it would definitely be better if I had a touch screen but compared to Vista, 8.1 is a dream.

lone_liberal > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:47

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I’m running Win10 on my home machine and a test box at work. I haven’t run in to a lot of issues with the work unit but there have been a few driver hiccups with my home laptop mostly due to the hybrid video card that lets you switch between an AMD video adapter and an Intel one. The AMD is supposed to be the high quality but juice sucking choice and the Intel is the low power option. Also, my built in webcam and mike don’t have drivers yet. Those are mostly HP’s fault, though. Other than that Win10 has been pretty painless but I don’t game on either box so I can’t address that. I like the UI much more than Win8 but there are some decisions, like how many steps it takes to connect to a VPN, that don’t make sense to me.

ly2v8-Brian > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:48

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I'm optimistic

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:49

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Runs like greased lightning on my 3 year old i5 lappy. Been DDing it since the 10xxx builds came out and could not be more pleased. It’s already polished and hasn’t had a single issue with any peripheral I’ve plugged in. It’s got all the drivers. All of them.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:49

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Rally Z

Lekker > HammerheadFistpunch 07/01/2015 at 13:50

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I’m in the same bucket, if I want to change RAM/CPU I’ll need a new Motherboard. Ugh

deekster_caddy > jkm7680 07/01/2015 at 13:50

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This is where I’m at. As long as there is good driver support for my video card under 7, that’s it for me. Nice robust OS, very stable. I’m surprised to hear someone say 8.1 “runs cooler”.

Lekker > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/01/2015 at 13:51

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Can I have a lifted one with meaty tires please? Kthanksbye!

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 13:52

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Fuck yes. This is what I wanted to hear. What software do you run on it often and how does it compare to any previous builds?

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 13:56

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I don’t really have a lot of software installed on it, however it internets just fine. Internetting is great, doesn’t have any issues with rendering (I do have some knockoff cad-type program I use to plan my house upgrades), and is definitely not a resource hog. It runs on 4GB RAM without a hiccup, though my 7 install forced me to upgrade to 6GB. I haven’t had a single crash since upgrading to 10xxx. Sorry, I can’t remember which specific build I’m on right now.

I’ll install MYST on it tonight and let you know how well it runs MYST.

Lekker > lone_liberal 07/01/2015 at 13:58

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gotcha. Yeah there are a lot of small configuration changes from 7 to 8.x and quite honestly the easiest way I’ve found to get around them is simply type the control panel setup name you’re looking for after hitting the Windows key. They’ve made the changes so abstract, even more so with the whole pulling the menu when you put your cursor in the corner that I thought I was going to pull out my hair. The only drivers I really care about are my peripherals (corsair/Logitech mouse & keyboard), and my 2 770 video cards. Both of which should be readily available, I’m just worried about how games might handle that. Oh and a Blue Yeti Mic. Shit never works right anyway tho

Lekker > jvirgs drives a Subaru 07/01/2015 at 14:00

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I can agree with the touchscreen portion. It definitely seems to have been designed for tablets, etc in order to not have to create a mobile version of the OS. At the same time, it looks neat and polished. I got over most of my nuances by 3 days with 8.1, the only one I can’t stand is the video full screen stuff when playing a local video with any given app and it’s lack of ability to control volume separately. It grinds the f* out of my gears. But I got Netflix now so it doesn’t matter as much anymore

lone_liberal > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:04

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I deal with Server 2012, which uses the Win8 UI for some unfathomable reason, all of the time and I pinned the Control Panel icon to the taskbar on all of them just to make my life easier.

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 14:04

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That’s good to know; RAM won’t be an issue as of now since I have 16gb albeit not fancy fast. My true concern is it not being able to deal with Chrome’s RAM hogging for example, or how it handles dual or triple monitors since I run anywhere from 2 to 4 of them at a time and some OS’s can’t handle that. Like 8.1 is simply unable to play nice with any Video Playback programs when you have more than one screen or just in general, not letting you adjust the volume of just that program or forcing the screen to go into that weird sectioned mode where its no longer just sitting on the desktop but allocated a particular part of it, or all.

Lekker > lone_liberal 07/01/2015 at 14:05

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I found myself adding many more shortcuts to the launch bar than I’ve ever used as well. I’m just glad we just we just switched to Win Server 2008 R2 for work and it still has the Win 7 UI

Nibbles > lone_liberal 07/01/2015 at 14:06

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Furck 2012. 2012 R2 is where the money’s at

And by “money” I mean “cohesive design and usable elements”

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:10

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Edge is your answer. Throw Chrome out the window because it is nineteen-nineties-mickey-mouse-bullshit compared to Edge. Also, good point on the monitors! Apart from installing MYST, I’ll install Win10 on my work lappy (Lenovo L440 with 2x monitors and laptop screen on built-in Intel chip lol) and let you know how it handles that

spanfucker retire bitch > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 07/01/2015 at 14:10

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I think 8.1 is better than 7. Having to use 7 here at work while I have 8.1 at home is a fucking chore.

10 is even more-so.

spanfucker retire bitch > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:12

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You can flip between a full page startscreen or a conventional start menu. The new Edge browser is fucking fantastic. And the biggest change of all is that all of the Metro Apps now run in their own Windows just like a desktop application.

That’s a huge deal, especially for people who like me who the idea of the higher security behind the Apps (and make no mistake, they are very hard to break out of) but didn’t want to always run them in full screen mode like in 8.1.

Now you get the best of both worlds.

spanfucker retire bitch > HammerheadFistpunch 07/01/2015 at 14:13

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Someone on the Ars forums has said that Windows 10 runs better on his laptop that originally came with Windows XP, then even Windows XP did. But I don’t have the older hardware to test out his claims myself.

I can say for sure, that ever since Windows Vista was released, every subsequent version has had lower spec requirements than the OS that came before it, and Windows 10 is going to be lower still.

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 14:18

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How have I never heard of Edge...Aha... is it only for Win10? I just looked it up on Microsoft’s site and can’t see much on the compatibility/download.

Haha my work lappy is a Lenovo T430 and I am running 2 external displays with it. One VGA and one USB video adapter, I’ll admit tho with only 6gb of ram it falls on its face quite a lot. It’s like doing work involves a loading/progress bar from back in the PS1 days. But at least it allows me to easily split the monitors into useful sections without forcing the weird full screen mode on select apps.

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:19

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Waow, really? My L440 handles it fine, one DVI monitor one VGA monitor and the internal display running all in tandem. It’s only got a base i5 and 4GB too.

And yeah at this time Edge is pre-release software, available for Win10 preview only.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > spanfucker retire bitch 07/01/2015 at 14:20

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It makes sense that 8 and 8.1 are very functional for home use. What do you use your home PC for most? Going to make assumptions, not attempting to be rude:

Web browsing

Gaming

Media/Entertainment/Video Playback (If using Netflix, et al this drops to browsing)

The 8 & 8.1 environments are great for this type of use, however in an engineering and productions driven and mostly work related environment they are not functional for most non-IT-types. They are derivative of the tablet and phone/touchscreen systems that are more prolific than ever before.

When running up to and above 25 VMs the 8, 8.1, & 10 software do not compliment dev and work systems. I do keep an 8.1 and 10 VM though to test and see how they cope with CAD, CADe, solidworks, and my various sysadmin tools.

Textured Soy Protein > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:25

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I have a 5 year-old Dell laptop that I meant to sell a year ago when I got a Macbook Pro but never got around to selling. It’s been sitting in my garage in a stack of other, much older laptops that at this point I just need to clean out and donate, or recycle. It’s still halfway decent hardware so I might upgrade it to Windows 10 to see what’s up. And then sell it. Or just let it continue sitting in my garage unused.

Lekker > spanfucker retire bitch 07/01/2015 at 14:26

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Yeah that in particular was a huge pain for me, as the current 8.1 way doesn’t always allow for windowed mode for simple apps like Skype even. Drives me bananas.

spanfucker retire bitch > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 07/01/2015 at 14:27

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I do infact do a lot of gaming and browsing at home, yes. But I also run my own VMs and my own CAD software at home. I don’t really know why you think the UI even gets in the way at all in those kinds of environments. I usually have 2-3 UG sessions open at any given time at work, plus Outlooks, and sometimes combined that with Solidworks for casting validity check, and CATIA for bubble drawings.

I can count on one hand how many times I use the start menu day in and day out. I already have everything pinned to the taskbar. And anything that isn’t there I just do a Winkey + Search for. Which in Windows 8.1 is just Winky + S + Search if you don’t want to the start screen to take over your entire screen. Or just keep using Winkey + Search if you don’t care.

The UI really does not get in your way, and it goes double for 10.

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 14:29

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Seriously? What the heck. I mean I keep my internal display working as well, but I’m honestly always having to go to resource manager and kill stuff to get memory. I average 90% RAM usage at all times during a normal day. Don’t even get me started if I open some youtube tabs for music. It may have something to do with all the Corporate bloatware they put on these machines, so many encryption, backup and AV solutions it takes damn near 30 minutes to resume from sleep or just as long for everything to start on boot.

Lekker > Textured Soy Protein 07/01/2015 at 14:30

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You could use it as a media server, or sell it. 5 year-old hardware isn’t old, just needs some driver updates and I’m sure it’ll run like a dream

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > spanfucker retire bitch 07/01/2015 at 14:30

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I may just need to use it more, I have added a bunch of tools to make my 8 and 8.1 environments look like 7.

spanfucker retire bitch > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:33

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Well the App version of Skype is going away completely in favor of a desktop build wit a hybrid UI so it still works on touchscreens.

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:34

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For starters, ditch Chrome. It is a resource demolisher. As for the rest, what services are generally eating your memory?

spanfucker retire bitch > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet 07/01/2015 at 14:36

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8.1 added a lot of good usability over 8, like the aforementioned Winkey + S so you don’t have to always leave your desktop just to perform a search.

Also, being a sysadmin it might interest you to know (if you didn’t already) there will actually be some capabilities added to install and even update conventional desktop (Win32) applications via the Store. Including having your own private store for Enterprise (which is already supported in 8).

It uses a forked version of App-V to basically virtualize any of the Win32 APIs that aren’t already there in WRT, so that the - usually reserved for Win32 - desktop application can actually be recompiled to an AppX format and run inside the “App” Integrity Level with all of the same security benefits that come with it.

http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/timmanga…

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 14:46

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As an example right now I have the following (yes.. I got chrome, I tried making the switch to Mozilla again but I just have so many things setup already in Chrome, what else do you suggest?):

out of 6gb I’m using 5.79 and I’m not particularly pushing it. Processes using the most memory from top:

Lync (Microsoft’s chat corporate tool), outlook, lynchtmlconv (ffs), chrome like 5 times, one note, chrome like 3 times again, and the rest are small usage bits from several apps to manage RDP connections and SSH.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > spanfucker retire bitch 07/01/2015 at 14:48

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...interesting...a lot of my automation tools are license exclusive and have to be checked out on a temporary basis....

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 14:55

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Switch to IE11. I only use Chrome for Kinja because Kinja hates everything but Chrome gets along with it the best. Everything else is IE and here’s why: I have about 40 tabs open on two windows of IE11, taking up 259MB. One tab on Chrome is using 200MB. That’s hueg. As for your corp apps (Lync, Outlook etc) you may have a bad installation - those things shouldn’t take up that much memory.

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 15:04

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Can’t. Our #$%^$%&* tools and sites aren’t compatible with anything over IE8. It’s moronic and asshattery, but alas. And yeah tbh that’s just how much they’ve always taken up from previous installs. We recently made the change from 2007 to 2013, allowing tabbed convos and everything (super useful when you’re trying to coordinate an event with 20 different people), which just seemed to make it worse. Now you understand a bit more of the conundrum. I could try to get the apps reinstalled, but since these lappies come with a default image from the start I doubt it’ll help a lot

jvirgs drives a Subaru > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 15:13

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I would say the only thing I don’t like is being forced to use an app (a la FoxSportsGo) other than that its good. Im thinking about wiping my old Windows 7 laptop and upgrading that to 10 as well to use just for lite gaming if they are going to just offer it.

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 15:17

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OH MY GLOB GET WITH THE PROGRAM

Nah, I’m just messin’ with ya. But IE11 has a really NEATO Enterprise mode that can be turned on by GPO. Most of our software was built during the 2000 Server years and wouldn’t work with IE 9 or 10. Works just tits with IE11 Enterprise mode :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) : ): : :) ): ): :) ):) :)) :): :) :)O

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 15:26

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OMG OMG OMG OMG WHAT?! I need to try that! I’ll get an earful if I need to contact someone to revert back to 8 tho :/ mehhhhhhhh. Damn you technology!

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 15:28

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You can always download the 8 standalone installer and backrev on your own time :)

Lekker > Nibbles 07/01/2015 at 16:13

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So I just talked with some other guys and I’m getting 11, with 10 as a backup as it is being shipped out with some of the new computers that run Win 8 :D

Nibbles > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 16:16

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415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 16:21

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Thats one of several factory cars they ran in the Africa Rally, the Yellow car is in the same area just later on. How about a Baja?

boxrocket > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 23:34

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I have 10TP on my desktop and a laptop, and 8.1 on everything else. 10 is a good progression from 7, and a minor evolution from 8/8.1. I recommend going to it, but perhaps wait a couple weeks or so for them to iron the release-level bugs out for your main rig if it's used that much.

boxrocket > Lekker 07/01/2015 at 23:37

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My 12-ish-year-old Panasonic Toughbook (my oldest computer) runs better on 10TP than it did with its native XP.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Lekker 07/02/2015 at 05:44

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Apple iMac user me.

Lekker > pip bip - choose Corrour 07/02/2015 at 09:00

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Funny. iMacs are better, but can’t afford to drop $2k on a system that will run 1/5 of my current games and at 1/2 the performance. For everything else they’re just better. Maybe I’m biased bc I work on UNIX machines for a living and Macs are based on unix.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Lekker 07/10/2015 at 11:48

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Sticking with 7 also. People whose opinion I trust are saying that 10 is okay, but I’m still sticking with 7.